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« on: May 24, 2002, 11:47:55 AM »

Whens it out

Nah only kidding

Seen a few references to YaBB SE2 and assume its going to be a total rewrite.

Just one question/suggestion, yabb/yabb se is the only forum I'v come across that stores the threads you have read on the server so keeps track of unread threads propley whatever computer you use. This post is just a plea to keep it like that really... as its a feature I would miss too much and I would probably

without it.

Seriously take your time on it and make the bestest forum software ever(dunno why I'm saying that as I know you will any)


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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2002, 12:42:50 PM »

Actually I totally agree. A few sites I have been visitng are so very annoying in the way it tracks read topics.

I read them here at work and then go home and they are all unread


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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2002, 01:13:18 PM »

good to hear


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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2002, 06:23:09 AM »

A question about YSE2, how is it's coding. Is it nice and smooth or is it a horror such as the previos versions of yabbse. How much html ois avtaully visible? Are there functions for creating tables and forms (wrapped in the appropriate objects). Is the code neatly outlined?

I have been having a lot of problems with the <<< operator as well. I don't like it. I just like using print("text") And if you don't want the text to give any backslahing parse errors, wrap it in addslashes(). Escaping out of php is also more reliable than using <<<EOT. But that's just my opinion, maybe the php version I am using still has <<< not fully supported.


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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2002, 06:27:04 AM »

I actually prefer the heredoc method because it allows me to easily use my html in a normal html file without any changes. I also belive, this is not backed up with anything, that heredoc is faster than print with addslashes. Once I got heredoc to work I just liked it better. SE2 should not use cookies but rather sessions. It seems the php world is trying to move toward them and it would alleviate or phpnuke/postnuke problems.


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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2002, 06:30:41 AM »

Yeah, well, herdoc might be nice, but it better works on my machine or there's no point in it. I totally agree YaBB SE should use sessions, it's much nicer.


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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2002, 09:20:43 AM »

I definitely like these heredoc statements and when used correcly they should always work. However, I think there shouldn't be structural html (tables, divs, etc.) inside the code. These should be bundled in one php-file so that the structure of the forum can easily be modified.

Another alternative is to use event-based XML for each screen. It's supported by most PHP installations (and can also easily be parsed manually). Every tag is then translated into a piece of HTML, resulting in a clean, easy-to-edit code.

for instance:

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<screen name="search">
  <html tag="b">
    <langstring index="yse123" />    
  </html>
  <yabbtable>
    <yabbtableheader>
      <langstring index="yse321" />
    </yabbtableheader>
    <yabbtablebody>
      <yabbfunction name="showsearch()" />
    </yabbtablebody>
  </yabbtable>
</screen>


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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2002, 02:46:10 PM »

I usually have php functions to create tables and specify the parameters in an array. The table function set is loaded in an object:

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// Create the object from a class (class not shown in code)
$table = new table;

// Build the table cells
$cell_params = array("align" => "center", "valign" => "middle");
$cell_text1 = "Cell 1";
$cell_text2 = "Cell 2";
$cell[] = $table->cell($cell_text1, $cell_params);
$cell[] = $table->cell($cell_text2, $cell_params);

//Build the row from the data
$row[] = $table->row($cell);

// Build the table from the data above
$table_params = array("align" => "center", "border" => 1, "bordercolor" => "FFFFFF");
$table->table($row, $table_params);

First the data is defined inside strings, then, using only one line, a whole, full-fledged, html table is created.


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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2002, 03:07:49 PM »

Quote from: Compuart on May 29, 2002, 09:20:43 AMAnother alternative is to use event-based XML for each screen. It's supported by most PHP installations (and can also easily be parsed manually). Every tag is then translated into a piece of HTML, resulting in a clean, easy-to-edit code.

for instance:
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<screen name="search"> <html tag="b"> <langstring index="yse123" /> </html> <yabbtable> <yabbtableheader> <langstring index="yse321" /> </yabbtableheader> <yabbtablebody> <yabbfunction name="showsearch()" /> </yabbtablebody> </yabbtable> </screen>

XML + XSL transformations were considered but dropped since only IE5.5+ supports it well and very little servers have compiled sablotron into their PHP version. And we didn't want to write a pure PHP XSLT engine


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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2002, 03:37:30 PM »

I actually didn't mean an XML/XSL transformation (the one I was talking about in that other topic). I agree these transformations are quite complicated and cost way to much server CPU time.

But since the last topic I've been learning some new things about event-based XML which is much faster. It works almost like the current templates, but it might be even faster cuz it can make use of the XML-parser built in almost every PHP-install (Apache-1.3.7 or later has expat).

Event-based XML does nothing else than scan an XML-file from top to bottom and couple a function to every opening and closing tag. So actually this XML-file is nothing but a meta-structure file for a page displayed in the forum.


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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2002, 03:53:38 PM »

Which exactly how our current templating works.

Things like this have already been adresses and will not change.

Like I said in several posts, we are NOT looking for suggestions right now. Any such suggestions, especially ones recommending fundamental structural changes will be ignored.


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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2002, 04:42:04 PM »

Quote from: Joseph Fung on May 29, 2002, 03:53:38 PMLike I said in several posts, we are NOT looking for suggestions right now. Any such suggestions, especially ones recommending fundamental structural changes will be ignored.

Yes it's taken me ages to work out the DB structure - it's a hell of a lot better


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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2002, 03:50:05 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Lewis on May 24, 2002, 12:42:50 PMActually I totally agree. A few sites I have been visitng are so very annoying in the way it tracks read topics.

I read them here at work and then go home and they are all unread

Around the time of YaBB gold they had that problem didn't they? I rememebr BoardMod doing that to me when I used another computer.
And now that I'm in the libraray I'm so happy to come home to read and replied topics. Yum


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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2002, 03:52:05 PM »

YaBB Gold? YaBB has always had a good way to mark topics. There have been a couple of bugs but it was always been better than some systems out there IMHO


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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2002, 03:57:02 PM »

Before YaBB Gold... I think. Of course it could of just been my computer cacheing, and I was too stupid to know. Sigh.


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