gtchat (in perl but superchat) integration

[sammenhaeng]

An integration with the gtchat http://www.gtchat.de would be awesome.

[Daniel Hofverberg]

What exactly do you mean by integration? Just adding a button for chat or similar, or something more advanced than that? If you're referring to the former, then it should't be hard at all...

And by the way, I noticed you're from Denmark - Be sure to visit the Scandinavian board here (I haven't seen any posts from you there...)!

[Michael]

Omario and I had semi-started to work on a new Chat Mod for YaBB SP1 which integrated GTChat, but then Omario got mad at the author for encoding his source code and flamed him, so that was over kinda quick.

The guy claims that he's not at all worried about someone stealing his code or anything, just that the program is "too complicated for opensource".

[Daniel Hofverberg]

Yeah, I noticed that the source files for GTChat was encrypted - Quite annoying...

[Trevize]

Ok, then I don't have to count on you? You could have said me this...

As I already said in the mail I don't want to explain all the reasons for code encryption in detail again, this was discussed in my forum often enough, I'm really tired of it. I'm in fact not worried about someone stealing my code, the program was not encrypted till last version. But I don't like people changing program code instead of looking for the regular possibility to adjust something. And there are several reasons why I prefer the current project status to open source, in the end it's less work for me.

[Shoeb Omar]

Omario and I had semi-started to work on a new Chat Mod for YaBB SP1 which integrated GTChat, but then Omario got mad at the author for encoding his source code and flamed him, so that was over kinda quick.

The guy claims that he's not at all worried about someone stealing his code or anything, just that the program is "too complicated for opensource".

well... yeah.. i dont like people insultign yabb and always go overboard

[Michael]

Sorry, I never got to mail you back. Omario sent you a kinda touchy letter and as far as I know, you never responded.

I'd still like to make a YaBB mod to integrate GTChat, but I just haven't got the time at the moment, I'm involved in several projects that are bogging me down.

As for the open source issue, the only way I could see how it's less work for you is in terms of support requests, but since you'll probably be getting just as many requests to make it open source, there's really no point in holding back. If somebody screws up their server or their GTChat or whatever, it's no problem of yours. Giving people the opportunity to improve upon what you've done, however, is a great thing. I'll take a look through your forums when I get a chance to see what you've said about it in the past, but so far you haven't given me anything that I'd call a valid reason.

You don't have a responsibility to make it open, of course, it's just that you gain nothing and everyone else loses so much by not having the opportunity to fiddle with a project like this. After all, how the hell do you think the whole great computing world started up? If manufacturers and all software designers had kept their products closed and proprietary, we'd still be working with tape-driven machines. All the great advances were made by people tinkering with things in their garages and going on to make their improvements available to the public. So they blew up a few things along the way?

* michael shrugs.

No pain, no gain.

If the modules you've provided can take care of everything that needs to be done for YaBB integration, great, but from what you've said to me, it doesn't sound like it. If someone else doesn't do it and I become available in the future, I'll send you another e-mail and let you know I'm interested again.

[KyleYankan]

I would like to see this mod for SE ( you know cuz i upgraded)

[Shoeb Omar]

darn itmichael! have u ever written a short post?!  

[Trevize]

Maybe I should really translate this topic in my forum from Russian  
I said there that I don't want to have the whole program untouched but only the critical parts of it, that's the reason for the complete rebuild I'm working on. The plugins like the one I sent you can do nearly everything. But there are some aspects that are too complicated for 99% of programmers who come to my page and I don't want to search the bugs if someone makes his changes there.

[Michael]

That's why open source always has the "provided as-is, with no warranty etc. etc." statement. The plugins are great, but advanced users might want to mess with the core, there's no sense in restricting them. Maybe make a separate download for "Advanced Users Only! - unencoded core"? Just state in nice big bold text that you refuse to deal with anyone who changes their core and has problems.

[Daniel Hofverberg]

I agree with Michael.

[sammenhaeng]

Sorry for being a little late Daniel and thanks for your interest.

I was thinking about not having to log in with another username and password, that is using the feature that you are already logged in - no retyping.

Using the online feature integrated to YaBB to see who is online in the chat in an overall-view as part of an online-mod. Being able to view profiles from the chat and share database in regards to userprofiles.

So an overall-integration, not just a button, that can always be adjusted in the template ......

It is a really good chat, no ??????

[Daniel Hofverberg]

Such an integration would probably be quite hard due to the fact that the Perl source code to GTChat is encrypted (read above), therefore making it hard to figure out how everything is stored, etc.

I agree that it is a good chat - Chat scripts using server-push technique is not too common...

[Michael]

No, hopefully it wouldn't be too hard. Trevize claims that the modules he has will let you do pretty much anything without having to alter the source code. That would be the best situation, because then you could upgrade GTChat whenever a new version came out, without having to get a special version for YaBB.

And yes, it's a lovely program.