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YaBB SE Info => News From the YaBB SE Team => Topic started by: Jeff Lewis on February 22, 2004, 12:38:06 PM

Title: YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 22, 2004, 12:38:06 PM
As was mentioned back in August (see this thread: http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?thread=25385), the development for YaBB SE had stopped and all focus had been shifted to a new forum called SMF and located at http://www.simplemachines.org

We have left the boards up here for current YaBB SE users to find solutions to problems they were having but have encouraged both old and new users to check out SMF.

SMF is now nearing a public beta version and as a result we have removed several boards from here and will be closing down this site March 31st.  This doesn't mean your install will stop working by any means, just that this site will no longer be up.

For those of you that wish to continue using YSE we will have a board at the Simple Machines forum where you can ask your support questions but all development will be focused on SMF which means that there will be no further releases.

Users who are worried about their forums and what will become of them need not worry. There is a complete converter made to convert from YaBB SE to SMF which will see a seamless conversion, and SMF will be released publicly, and above all SMF will be completely free.

You are strongly encouraged to read this thread: http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?thread=25385 which is also located over at the Simple Machines Forum: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=688.0 where you can about more changes and features added to the new forum which has been coded from the ground up.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: irbrian on February 22, 2004, 01:21:42 PM
It seems to me that there ought to at least be an archive of these forums someplace. A lot of useful information has been discussed here over the past couple years, some of it related to the software, but a great deal of it relating to mods, forum-based projects, hosting, and dozens of other useful topics. What a waste it would be for all of that to just vanish.

Besides, is it not conceivable that some people may not be ready to move to SMF in the near future -- or for whatever reason, may not want to upgrade? While it would be downright silly to expect active support, at the very least, such users ought to be able to search an archived version of this forum.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 22, 2004, 01:26:48 PM
We cannot continue to maintain two sites. We are looking at ways to still offer some help for those that wish to remain using YSE. We will have a board over at SMF for YSE users and we'll try to compile a FAQ for those users (even though FAQs are almost never read).

However, the site WILL close March 31st.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: bostasp on February 22, 2004, 01:37:42 PM
Maybe an archive of these forums could be placed at simplemachines.org, instead of maintaining the two sites?
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: irbrian on February 22, 2004, 01:40:37 PM
I'm not talking about maintaining two sites. I'm not even necessarily talking about maintaining the old forum as a forum. I'm just talking about finding some way to archive it. Surely someone could take a few minutes to write a simple script to go through the database automatically and export each thread to a readable file -- even having simple txt files available for browsing someplace would be better than completely deleting two years of forum activity.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Symetrical on February 22, 2004, 02:09:27 PM
What about all the mods that are here? They should at laest be saved! Especially for people porting mods or wanting to learn from old mods, or even just to get ideas!
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: ReD on February 22, 2004, 02:09:34 PM
I do not see why anyone would not want to upgrade to this new forum.

It is better than the other alternatives that have come along and stole the forum yabb and made in new sites.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Tywick on February 22, 2004, 02:14:23 PM
<snip>

Simple Machines Forum: http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=688.0

<snip>

Will decimals play an important role in the future of SMF. This is one example where using a decimal has a downside since it stops parsing after "." . I know the link works perfectly fine now but what about the future?

It seems to me that there ought to at least be an archive of these forums someplace. A lot of useful information has been discussed here over the past couple years, some of it related to the software, but a great deal of it relating to mods, forum-based projects, hosting, and dozens of other useful topics. What a waste it would be for all of that to just vanish.

I think that's a good idea as well.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 22, 2004, 02:15:40 PM
That link would work fine in SMF yes.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 22, 2004, 02:19:44 PM
I do not see why anyone would not want to upgrade to this new forum.

It is better than the other alternatives that have come along and stole the forum yabb and made in new sites.

I have to agree but we do understand that some people might not want to for whatever reason.

However, we needed to make a decision on moving forward. It's a team decision, things are always decided on by the team, and something we feel we needed to do.

As for other "alternatives", I only know of one or two that are left and none are really viable. It's one thing to make MODs for an existing package but it's another thing to keep building on to something and keeping everything running smoothly.

SMF has been coded with performance and security in mind and at the same time has several very powerful features. Is it bloatware? No, but you can find bloatware YSE alternatives out there if that's your thing and your host will  allow the performance hit on their servers.  ;D
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Tywick on February 22, 2004, 02:31:33 PM
I do not see why anyone would not want to upgrade to this new forum.

<snip>

Many people are comfortable with running YSE that is in perfect working condition and do not feel the need to upgrade. You know the old motto "If it's not broke why fix it?". Especially if someone's board contains a lot of custom mods.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Chris Cromer on February 22, 2004, 02:39:21 PM
Some people can't upgrade to SMF either. I am an admin at a 1.4.1 YaBBSE board. The owner can't upgrade past 1.4.1 because his host has PHP 4.0.6 and they won't upgrade PHP.  And since SMF requires PHP 4.1.0 he won't be able to move to it.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Xelloss42 on February 22, 2004, 02:51:02 PM
I do not see why anyone would not want to upgrade to this new forum.

Even more than "not broke, don't fix it", even if there is a converter for YaBB SE to SMF, the converter won't move mods over to the new forum, it'll just move the content.  So if you have interesting modifications that you've made to YaBB SE over the years, if a similar mod isn't available on the other forum, you're out of luck.  Furthermore, even when there are comparable mods for the new forum, there's no guarantee that the new mods will have all the functionality or features of the old one.  This is by far my main reason for not wanting to upgrade.  As long as there's a large community working on YaBB SE, it'll be a viable program.  

I'm also really concerned about the Mods section on this forum.  Since there will be plenty of people still using YaBB SE, it would seem quite unfortunate if all the work the people in the community have made over the past couple years was just lost.  

If possible, could you at least host a very limited forum for YaBB SE on simplemachines?  That way those who still use the forums can ask for help if they need it, or look through mods that they may want for their programs.  I definitely understand hosting two sites is too expensive, but considering the size of the community, can't at least something be saved?
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: bostasp on February 22, 2004, 02:55:07 PM
Some mods have already been ported over to SMF, and most cosmetic mods can be simply added with the new template system.

I know some popular YaBB SE mods have been built into SMF, one being the Extra Smilies mod.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 22, 2004, 02:56:06 PM
If possible, could you at least host a very limited forum for YaBB SE on simplemachines?  That way those who still use the forums can ask for help if they need it, or look through mods that they may want for their programs.  I definitely understand hosting two sites is too expensive, but considering the size of the community, can't at least something be saved?

As stated in the first post, we're going to try to have soemthing for those that wish to remain with YSE for the time being. Naturally though it WILL be phased out eventually.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: David on February 22, 2004, 03:11:10 PM
While I do feel sad that a portion of my life will be closing at the end of March, I am very excited about a new part.  We have taken a lot of your advice into account both about SMF and how to make this transition.  We have left this site open much longer than originally planned but there has to be a time when it is over.  We do not have the resources to maintain two sites especially with support and moderation issues.  We are sorry that some of you feel that this transition is not in your best interest and we have done our best to try to convince you otherwise.  We understand that there are some “alternatives” to upgrading to SMF that still run off of the YaBB SE codebase but the official YaBB SE project will be closing on March 31st.  Thank you all for the experiences I have had the opportunity to share with you and I hope to see all of you in the future as part of the Simple Machines community.
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: [Unknown] on February 22, 2004, 03:54:39 PM
I would like to make one simple assertion:

If you are running an older version of YaBB SE, or have not upgraded to SMF as of when the public beta is released... chances are you have not been to the site.  If you haven't been the site, you wouldn't miss any of the boards that are gone or even all of them if they were to evaporate.

For most people, a viable and easy solution to support issues is... simply... to upgrade.  As far as the mods issue, well, frankly... if you are experienced enough to make such modifications, you may not really miss the support here.

If you do, well, you'll have to weigh things.  Maybe you have a '52 automobile that you've made ten times faster than it was originally, but a modern car will always out-race it.  At some point, you're going to have to decide to upgrade or be left in the dust.

Now, don't misunderstand this.  If anyone ever has a problem with a YaBB SE forum, even five years from now, I and others are willing to help.  But at some point, outdated software has to be dropped.... Microsoft doesn't still support Windows For Workgroups 3.11, do they?

As to people who can't upgrade due to requirements... at some point they will also have to weigh how worth their money the host is.  Even lycos.co.uk runs SMF perfectly and wonderfully fine - even the package manager and attachments - so if you're being hosted and PAYING for it, and they won't upgrade.... obviously it's time to change hosts.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:YaBB SE site closing down
Post by: David on February 23, 2004, 12:45:28 AM
One last thing to add to this, in the process of pruning this forum you may have received access denied or unavailable errors.  We have not however banned opposition to this idea nor altered our ban list in many weeks.  We truly do respect everyone's opinions and feedback and know that banning a user will not make their concerns disappear. :)