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Title: The Recent Changes.
Post by: [Unknown] on August 12, 2003, 05:58:28 PM
Here's a summary of the most recent changes, written by skoen.  For more information, please see www.simplemachines.org.

For anyone of you who don't want to search the whole forum for information about Simple Machines, I made a simple introduction to Simple Machines for the Nordic users on a separate board. But, many of you guys would want to know what, why and when about SMF.

First of all, let me tell you that YaBBSE and SMF have almost the same developers, so sort of speaking this might be more only an update than a complete new forum, since you will recognize a lot of the members and the features on this forum.

The Beginning

At July 17th, the YaBBSE developers had a Chat Session on IRC to give the users a possibility to get the latest information about the changes, and also get to ask some questions directly to the dev team. At that chat session a lot of information came out and it was all about what was going to be Simple Machines.

Why the name?

The main reason why the dev team wanted to change the name from YaBBSE was that the original YaBB, the CGI version, contained a lot of errors and when it came out i 1998, it wasn't such a great success before all the bugfixes arrived. And not forgetting that there were more advertising for YaBB than for YaBBSE, which was released for beta testing in December 2001. SE stood for Splinter Edition. The differences between YaBB and YaBBSE was that YaBBSE was built on PHP and MySQL. But, despite the name YaBBSE many people got too many associations to the original YaBB and that was made a problem for the dev. The name Simple Machines might have a history, but my little hint is that it got its name because it can run simple on a computer (machine). Simple Machines.

YaBBSE <-> SMF

Version 1.5.4 of YaBBSE became the Final release of the YaBBSE forum software. This release was very fast and didn't contain that much errors as version 1.0.0. During only a year YaBBSE got many members and many felt that the forum needed something better. Simple Machines is much faster than YSE1.5.4. A lot of the reason for that is the code, which is better than in YaBBSE. It's more logic. There have also been made a lot of new features that have been implemented in this new forum. See below for a list of some of the few new changes that have been made. But the kernel is somewhat unchanged, and you will anyway recognize the dev team behind Simple Machines. [Unknown] can also inform that the Charter Members thing get them many possibilies, they get to test the new versions before anybody else.

Charter Members

Charter Members is a group of paid members. You might call it a VIP-member who pays to get more than regular members. When you are a charter member you get the possibility to recieve extended support for your forum software and even get your forum upgraded by the dev team personal! To be a charter member you have to pay an annual fee of $49,95, in Euro it is 43,91.

A simple list of some of the changes from YaBBSE 1.5.4

Here is a list of changes I can remember:[note from [Unknown]: there are a lot more, a list will come around soon.]

Welcome to Simple Machines. I hope you could understand some of the stuff I've written.
Note: This is translated, poorly, from my original text in Norwegian. Sorry for some translation errors.

When is it ready for release? Well, you might ask, but this forum is still under creation as it's still in Alpha status, and the regular members have to wait for the Charter Members to finish their Beta testing when it's ready.

Thanks for reading the whole text :P

[addition by [Unknown]: Support for YaBB SE will continue until most of you, our users, have converted over to SMF.  Please join us over at www.simplemachines.org to see development as it unfolds.]

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Dataforce on August 18, 2003, 07:11:54 PM
3 Questions

1) Why the heck was it caleld Spliter Edition?

2) Will Themes from YaBB SE be compatable with SMF ? - eg can i copy and paste my tempalte from my YSE to a SMF ?

3) Why did you change the name - imo YaBB SE is a much niver name
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: [Unknown] on August 18, 2003, 07:33:55 PM
3 Questions

1) Why the heck was it caleld Spliter Edition?

2) Will Themes from YaBB SE be compatable with SMF ? - eg can i copy and paste my tempalte from my YSE to a SMF ?

3) Why did you change the name - imo YaBB SE is a much niver name

1. Because it was a "splinter" off YaBB.  The creators also seem to like the Ninja Turtles ;).

2. There is, and will be, a converter.  Not exactly compatible (because the old version's method was... imho... useless..) but it can convert to the new method.

3. Sorry, that's covered.  A lot.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: AcsiakSupport on August 20, 2003, 09:08:26 AM
So then, I guess - YabbSE is dead?

So now what happens?


I, and all my clients have always used YaBBSE - now must we move to some other forum like phpBB or Invision Power Board? - As I can honestly say, SimpleMachines certainly doesn't look anything special and to be totally honest is downright ugly.... and believe me when I say UGLY. (I use GAIM, and personally I think that is the most ugly chat program on earth, but that's not even as ugly as SimpleMachine)


What new features will Simple Machine have?
Also, will it still be free like YaBB SE was?


I don't like to say it.... but I think I can foresee another XMB/myBBoard tragedy....
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Ben_S on August 20, 2003, 11:10:32 AM
Why dont you bother to look at the smf site, read a few threads, it wont take long to understand what SMF is all about, what changes have been made.

Every change is for the better, you complain it looks ugly, it looks just like YSE but with different colours, but the fact is you can make it look like anything you want with the new template engine.

Every question you have asked is answered on the SMF forum.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Douglas on August 20, 2003, 11:43:36 AM
And on top of that, I happen to be converting several customers OVER to YSE so that we CAN get onto SMF when it comes out.

I switched my forums from a paid forum system to YSE, and will be upgrading to SMF when it becomes a Release Candidate.  I have two to four sites that will be running the beta software as soon as it comes out.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on August 20, 2003, 01:30:46 PM
3) Why did you change the name - imo YaBB SE is a much niver name

Personally, I'll be glad to see the back of the YaBB SE name because it's almost impossible not to read it as 'Yabbsy' (which sounds downright ridiculous) instead of 'Yabb ess ee'! ::)

I, and all my clients have always used YaBBSE - now must we move to some other forum like phpBB or Invision Power Board?

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I don't like to say it.... but I think I can foresee another XMB/myBBoard tragedy....

And I can't believe I'm reading this! >:(
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: klumy on August 20, 2003, 01:46:57 PM
YabbSE is not dead.
It just has a new name.

As Ben_S already says, all question will be answered in http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php

Personally I think this is a step to the right direction. I hope other YAbbSE users won't have prejudices about SMF and will take a closer look to the upcoming SMF forum.

I believe in the SMF project  :)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: skoen on August 21, 2003, 04:29:00 AM
I also believe in the YaBBSE project, or else I wouldn't have written the article in the first post. I've published it in Nordic (the original format) at this link -> here (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?threadid=507).
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: proenski on August 22, 2003, 07:18:47 AM
I take it we can upgrade from YabbSE to SMF?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Metho on August 22, 2003, 07:52:00 AM
Yes.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: TREO on August 25, 2003, 06:44:34 AM
I think it looks nice :D
And the new features seems also good :)
so I WILL use SMF even if it's just because I dont like wbb and all the others :D
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: BigMike on August 27, 2003, 03:34:03 PM
So could I please have the Magic Llama script ?  ???
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Metho on August 27, 2003, 04:01:35 PM
I think magic llama's should be for charter members.  8)

Not that I'm biased or anything...

Methonis
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: K7 on August 29, 2003, 06:50:05 AM
Hmm...whatever happened to the little YABB tutorial pages, though? I can't find those anymore. Did you get rid of them, or something?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: krysia322 on September 01, 2003, 11:52:25 AM
I've been over to the SM site several times, and I gotta say, I like what I see. :)
I also like that it appears to be (and seems to have plans to be) more "Mac Friendly" than any other BB system available, and I'm keeping my Apple-lovin' fingers crossed.
I adore the concept of self-installing mods because I am over manual installation of mods!

I'm counting the days for the beta release... Any idea when that will be?

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So could I please have the Magic Llama script ?
What is the Magic Llama script?
:)
ETA: And all this whining about the name? Who cares what it's called? It's not as though your visitors will be fixated on the copyright notice; hopefully your forum(s) are more interesting than that! LOL! ;) As long as it does what it's supposed to do and doesn't crash or eat my website alive, I --for one-- don't care what it's called.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: David on September 01, 2003, 04:52:06 PM
Hooah, another Mac user besides me.  ;D
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Metho on September 01, 2003, 05:05:24 PM
*Goes up to the OS chalkboard*

Worldwide Mac users
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||

Ok, list updated. Thanks! ;)

Methonis
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: krysia322 on September 01, 2003, 05:41:57 PM
Yay, David!  ;D

Guffaw, guffaw, Methonis. ;)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Killer Possum on September 01, 2003, 06:29:51 PM
*Goes up to the OS chalkboard*

Worldwide Mac users
----------------------------
||

Ok, list updated. Thanks! ;)

Methonis

lol :D oh so true ;)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Overseer on September 03, 2003, 08:39:18 AM
ROFL
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: jupiter on September 05, 2003, 02:08:46 AM
very keen to try SMF. Any prediction when it will be release?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: skoen on September 05, 2003, 02:54:42 AM
They say before Halloween, so I think that you don't have to wait for long. :)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: klumy on September 05, 2003, 02:56:21 AM
From noe on there are approximately 55 days until Halloween 2003!  ::)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Overseer on September 05, 2003, 04:48:31 AM
They say before Halloween, so I think that you don't have to wait for long. :)

that was for charter members though right?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: skoen on September 05, 2003, 06:11:09 AM
They mentioned not just for Charter Members, but since today is September 5th, and we still have not seen any progress, I suppose it would be downloadable for everyone before December 1st
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: HyperDev on September 09, 2003, 11:02:54 PM
SMF will rock when released.

And though I am not a Mac user yet, I will be soon. I'm saving my money.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Adin on September 10, 2003, 02:07:34 AM
I use a Mac for work. So update that board ;) Macs rule.

Well, if i can update from YabbSE to SMF i'll definately do it. It looks great. I hope it'll be released soon :)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: N-Ur-Hand on September 10, 2003, 11:49:52 AM
Hummm, ok i went i looked i had a beer i had a smoke i thumbed threw it and pondered it's mystic.

In my personal opinion and for someone that has been with YaBB and all it's versions, bugs, mods, changes, security fixes, late nights, bad warm beers and had to deal with lock ups and bad files, pissed admins, frustrated programmers and more.

I was impressed.

Now this is not saying that i will move to it in a quick minute but i will eventually be there. I run a site for bikers and sudden changes make them jumpy and the colors would do it.

I was not sure of the menu buttons, but i liked the grey tones better than these blue ones, Yes i have changed mine dozens of times to fit my site, but have reverted back for upgrade reasons.

I think the SMF website is a little over crowded somewhat and it may just be the colors because there is not much change from the YaBBse site. But on anyone elses site it will not be that way when setup so no reason to bag on that.

Now on to the Llama issue as i have seen a couple of times. I think that not so much the llama being the mascot if you will, should stick with YaBBse, but i think a more suitable version for the public would be a nice geture since we are making such a big change and obviously the llama will not be going with SMF. Hell i would like to see a biker version, little motorcycle running across the screen to be captured. Ok enough of that.

To the developers and admin staff that have stuck by the interests of it's users we praise you all for giving us somthing that we can work with in it's simplest terms.

Thanks.. And Good Luck.


N-Ur-Hand
International Internet Officer
Gypsy MC International
EST: 1932

http://www.gypsyinternational.com (http://www.gypsyinternational.com)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Overseer on September 16, 2003, 09:46:25 AM
With SMF you could make your site look virtually identical to your old one...

The template+graphics the SMF site itself uses will not be available, whereas this site used the default template included with YaBB SE.

However I believe several example templates will be packaged with the release of SMF.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: mazur50 on September 16, 2003, 05:28:20 PM
When will SMF but avaliable for download and will it still be free like Yabba se
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Douglas on September 16, 2003, 05:41:31 PM
And another llama dies......

Please go to http://www.simplemachines.org/community/ and read.  This has been covered over and over again.  Search is your friend, too.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: David on September 16, 2003, 05:58:18 PM
Yes, SMF will be free.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: BaZz on October 14, 2003, 03:37:05 AM
Will we be able to retrieve our data from actual YaBBSE forum, users, posts, etc, if we "upgrade" to SM ?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Overseer on October 14, 2003, 03:41:06 AM
yes, there is a converter supplied :)

would be pretty silly for them not to wouldnt it ;)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on October 14, 2003, 04:09:19 AM
Will we be able to retrieve our data from actual YaBBSE forum, users, posts, etc, if we "upgrade" to SM ?

Have you even read the rest of this thread, because it's stated several times on its first page that you can! ::)
Title: Like the flying lama
Post by: wal on November 05, 2003, 10:17:04 PM
Like the flying lama
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: sydney078 on November 10, 2003, 12:55:27 PM
I dont know about anyone else, but I can never get any of the pages at SimpleMachines to load.  Is it on a slower server or something
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Overseer on November 10, 2003, 01:05:23 PM
it loads no different to this board for me.. never had a prob...
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on November 10, 2003, 06:18:25 PM
I dont know about anyone else, but I can never get any of the pages at SimpleMachines to load.  Is it on a slower server or something

AFAIK, it's on the *same* server!
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: [Unknown] on November 10, 2003, 07:15:05 PM
I dont know about anyone else, but I can never get any of the pages at SimpleMachines to load.  Is it on a slower server or something

Instant message me - we'll troubleshoot.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: BigMike on November 12, 2003, 01:19:16 AM
Must.......

         Have.............

                Magic................

                            Llama.................

                                       Script..............!
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: rinspeed on November 21, 2003, 06:31:19 AM
So I understand from all this, that I should not have installed YaBB SE, but SMF?

I hope it will also be understandible for people who do not have knowledge of pc, coding, php and MsQL (like me)

HELP
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: [Unknown] on November 21, 2003, 06:34:48 AM
SMF has not yet been released.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Black Hawk on November 22, 2003, 08:20:42 AM
Must.......

         Have.............

                Magic................

                            Llama.................

                                       Script..............!

For YaBBSE, here's a link: http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?thread=26480
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Ratman on December 01, 2003, 09:44:02 PM
I still remember when I switched from good old YaBB to YaBB SE, and now it will be left behind too... :'(

Anyways, I'm looking forward to try SMF. Tweaking and tinkering YSE is some ugly work sometimes, it's all too messy, with commented out perl-ish regexes and stuff... hope SMF is cleaner :P

Oh, and being a charter member is appealing, but way too expensive :-\ I guess we cheap people will have to wait 'till the official release... oh well. Make it better than YaBB SE! :)
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Tilton53 on December 06, 2003, 08:40:14 AM
SMF seems to be a lot faster then Yabbse
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: briton on December 07, 2003, 03:44:20 PM
So I understand from all this, that I should not have installed YaBB SE, but SMF?

I hope it will also be understandible for people who do not have knowledge of pc, coding, php and MsQL (like me)

HELP

SMF has not yet been released.

-[Unknown]

OK thanks Unknown. That helps a little. But I do read and read and I still don't really get the idea here.

Now, I have JUST discovered YaBBSE and I think you guys are all great to produce such a wonderful thing. And having used it, I wanted to incorporate it into my website. So I downloaded, followed instructions, read FAQs etc etc. And of course had problems - actually, it won't install, but leave that aside.

So now I come back for more reading and researching and hopefully don't have to post any questions as so many of them seem to have been answered if I can just find them. But I find this HUMUNGOUS notice telling me to come and read this thread. So I do. And everything I read tells me that if I continue to research, learn, install, tweak and get YaBBSE up and running and get the good people to come and use it on my website, I will probably want to switch over to SMF (whether XPish, Macish or however else I feel like describing its cool look  ;)

But hang on. It isn't released yet. But the Beta version is IMMINENT? So I could wait a little then play around with that one before I let my people get their hands on it, right?

My questions are simple (and I am sure a lot of other people in the same situation would like this spelt out too):

1. Is it worth expending more time and effort getting YaBBSE up and running for the first time or will the "changeover" to SMF simply require the same bunch of work to be done to switch it?

2. Is the first beta version of SMF likely to be ready enough to allow us first time installers of YaBBSE to try that out instead (presumably also being able to help feedback some useful stuff which will avoid noobie mania wreaking havoc on the SMF boards!)? (I understand that if I already had YaBBSE up and running, it would NOT be worth the switch until SMF's first beta's are history.)

(Questions JUST for the case of someone who has not yet got YaBBSE up and running and doesn't have some deadline to do so.)

I really hope you can answer these. I also hope that they haven't been answered already - I DID try for a long time to find a clear answer and to be honest, the answers seem either vague or tangled.

Thanks for ALL the info you provide and all the work you all put in.

(Don't ask me how this post ended up here instead of there, but I suppose it's supposed to be here, so I'll leave it........)  :-\
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: David on December 07, 2003, 11:17:02 PM
As SMF is based on YSE there are quite a few underlying similarities.  Things like how you would incorporate SSI or the news script are more or less the same.  Then again almost every single feature has been upgraded or enhanced.  We have been running SMF live on the site since alpha stages.  We are currently on our third closed beta, with the charter members, and I am running this beta on my site.  By the time we reach public beta I would be very confident in running it on even a very busy site.  I'm sure bugs will still be found but nothing show stopping.  Also if you decide to become a charter member you will have access to the SMF beta at this point and we will be more than happy to install it for you and help with customizations.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: [Unknown] on December 08, 2003, 01:09:35 AM
As SMF is based on YSE there are quite a few underlying similarities.  Things like how you would incorporate SSI or the news script are more or less the same.

Yes and no.  The SSI has changed a lot, to be more secure mostly, and isn't strictly compatible - you will have to change things.

Upgrading is quite painless, though, so if you feel like you want to try YaBB SE - go ahead, it shouldn't be that hard to switch everything over, really.

As far as first betas... well, it might.  The first betas, those we usually only give to team members and closed beta testers, (and are now being given to charter members as well...) are already out.... and it should be a lot better than you might expect.

Here, there, wha?  Looks fine here to me...

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: briton on December 08, 2003, 02:46:45 AM
Well, thanks David and [Unknown]. Clear and straightforward answers. And quick too!

While I was wondering, I actually got YaBB SE up and running on my website which I consider a minor miracle for a piece of software I never saw before (although read a lot about it on the site) and of a type I hadn't used before.

If SMF is HALF what you say it is, and provided the switchover will port the same databases, I'm ready to continue learning YSE and tweaking and modding on the assumption that the knowledge will all be good to get the best out of SMF.

Thanks again!
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Jonno on December 19, 2003, 11:55:11 AM
Hmm, just a small query, we will be able to upgrade from YaBBSE to SMF, right?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Overseer on December 19, 2003, 02:00:20 PM
of course... its been asked about 2398290473928 times in this thread...
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: dstaton on December 21, 2003, 08:41:53 AM
Hello-

I came to this forum this morning to finally upgrade to YaBBSE (which I always thought meant "Second Edition"), only to discover that SE has already come and gone...

I now have some questions.  I read this whole thread, so if I inadvertantly ask a question that has already been asked, please don't beat me up.  I tried . . .

1.  Is there a converter to go directly from YaBB to SM, or do I have to do two conversions?  (YaBB > SE > SM)

2.  I read here that the current SE release is the final.  So this board will be disappearing soon and all discussions will move over to SM?

3.  I'm surprised to find there are now two classes of users:  paid and unpaid.  In the YaBB template it says:  "Those who write software only for pay should go hurt some other field."  Is SM a completely different group of developers from YaBB?

4.  My biggest complaint with YaBB is that if a user forget some little thing like putting a subject on his post, the software makes him/her go back to add it, and in the process deletes the entire post.  This has made several people uh, unhappy.  Has this been corrected in SM?

5.  Is this board running on SE or SM?

Thanks for any answers you can provide.  I'm heading off to read the SM board now.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on December 21, 2003, 09:15:20 AM
Before I start answering your questions, please allow me to point out that Simple Machines is the new name for the development group and SMF (not SM) is the name of the forum software!

1.  Is there a converter to go directly from YaBB to SM?

AFAIK, not yet, but there surely will be!

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2.  I read here that the current SE release is the final.  So this board will be disappearing soon and all discussions will move over to SM?

YaBB SE is still being supported but there will be no further SE releases and the remaining boards here will eventually be archived.

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3.  I'm surprised to find there are now two classes of users:  paid and unpaid.  In the YaBB template it says:  "Those who write software only for pay should go hurt some other field."  Is SM a completely different group of developers from YaBB?

Nobody's writing software only for pay! In fact nobody's being paid at all! The Charter Membership scheme offers access to advanced betas etc. and a support desk, but the fees are being ploughed straight back into the running costs of the boards. SMF has been rewritten from the ground up by the YaBB SE team (with [Unknown] and Compuart as lead developers) as the effective 'next generation' YaBB SE.

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4.  My biggest complaint with YaBB is that if a user forget some little thing like putting a subject on his post, the software makes him/her go back to add it, and in the process deletes the entire post.  This has made several people uh, unhappy.  Has this been corrected in SM?

Not sure offhand, but you'll find the answer somewhere in the SMF boards.

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5.  Is this board running on SE or SM?

YaBB SE!
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: dstaton on December 21, 2003, 10:01:50 AM
That was fast.

Thanks for the clarifications.

In your opinion, in terms of reliability of transfer and simplicity, would it be better to wait for the YaBB > SM converter, or to take the YaBB > SE > SMF route?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on December 21, 2003, 12:12:58 PM
Having never personally done a conversion from the original YaBB (I started with YaBB SE 1.0.0), I can't really be sure, but I don't think it matters. YaBB SE to SMF is certainly a straightforward conversion, so I wouldn't hesitate to convert your YaBB board (or a test copy of it) to SE now if you want to make a start!
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: hebxi1 on December 21, 2003, 03:15:16 PM
Due to the number of mods that I had on my old YaBB board, I had nothing but problems when I tried to convert to SE.  There was a lot of stuff that was lost simply because the data was different.  I ended up giving up on it and am actually using YaBB 1.3.1 for one board and SE for another.

I'm happy with both and am just waiting for YaBB 2 and SMF to come out and will see if converting is needed or even an option at that point ...

However, if you're definitely wanting to go from YaBB to SMF, doing a mid-way convert to YaBB SE (I think) would make it much easier and you can do that now while we wait for SMF.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: [Unknown] on December 21, 2003, 06:37:48 PM
4.  My biggest complaint with YaBB is that if a user forget some little thing like putting a subject on his post, the software makes him/her go back to add it, and in the process deletes the entire post.  This has made several people uh, unhappy.  Has this been corrected in SM?

Yes.

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5.  Is this board running on SE or SM?

YaBB SE, but the other is running SMF:
http://www.simplemachines.org/

Both sites are running of the same server, so you can tell how much faster and better SMF is ;).

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Daniel Hofverberg on December 23, 2003, 04:52:35 PM
4.  My biggest complaint with YaBB is that if a user forget some little thing like putting a subject on his post, the software makes him/her go back to add it, and in the process deletes the entire post.  This has made several people uh, unhappy.  Has this been corrected in SM?
As far as I know, that is fixed already in YaBB SE (at least in the more recent versions)...
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: DickBarton on December 29, 2003, 07:14:00 AM
I've just tried to do a version check on my YaBB SE board...I'm told that I'm not running the latest version and then it lists what isn't updated...thing is I get this -

The most recent version of index.php is YaBB SE 1.5.4 while your version is .

As you can see it doesn't tell me anything. The main admin screen tells me the latest version is 1.5.4SE and my version is 1.5.4SE - I'm guessing an update is in order...but what do I do?

I've been away from here for a long time and only got round to it today to discover changes...can someone e-mail me a brief outline of what I'm going to have to do to update my board please? I would read it all but after the first page I got totally lost.

All I want to do is update my board to the latest version of whatever it is that YABB SE now is...can someone let me know what I have to do and where I can get the patches from please?

Thanks,

Richard.

P.S. Sorry if this is Off-topic but after getting lost on the first page I thought this wouln't cause too much trouble.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: DickBarton on December 29, 2003, 07:25:15 AM
Another question - after visiting SimpleMachine's website - how to I download the software and install it? Apaprently it isn't available yet...

I'm wanting to upgrade but I'm also wanting to preserve my database...my host only allows 1 database on my account so does this mean that I'll have to loose it or will it simply sit 'on-top' of the old database and make the changes as it upgrades?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: klumy on December 29, 2003, 07:42:34 AM
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will it simply sit 'on-top' of the old database and make the changes as it upgrades?


I think it will exactly do this. It will just update your old database.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: DickBarton on December 29, 2003, 08:25:15 AM
Cool, thanks very much.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on December 29, 2003, 08:29:25 AM
As you can see it doesn't tell me anything. The main admin screen tells me the latest version is 1.5.4SE and my version is 1.5.4SE - I'm guessing an update is in order...but what do I do?

Ignore it! See here:

Well, the second stage doesn't work for me either, but I think it's been like this for a while.

If you are ever unsure whether you have the latest version of a gile, just remember:
When you do the version check, notice that there is a spot that says "submit version check" which checks with the yabbse server to see if you have the latest version of each file.
If any of yours are outdated, it will let you know.

It's not working properly at the moment or I'd have suggested it myself!

So long as you have the individual file versions listed under 'Detailed Version Check' earlier in that thread, you can safely ignore the nonsense you're getting from 'Submit Version Check'!

Another question - after visiting SimpleMachine's website - how to I download the software and install it? Apaprently it isn't available yet...

Well, it is for Charter Members but, although it's running very happily at simplemachines.org and on a number of CM and team sites, it's still in beta and not advised for 'live' sites yet.

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I'm wanting to upgrade but I'm also wanting to preserve my database...my host only allows 1 database on my account so does this mean that I'll have to loose it or will it simply sit 'on-top' of the old database and make the changes as it upgrades?

It'll update your DB as klumy says.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: DickBarton on December 29, 2003, 09:04:19 AM
Thanks for the update...only question I now have is how do I know I have the final versions of all the files?

The reason I'm asking is that when I installed the final upgrade to YaBB SE 1.5.4SE I still see that some of my modules are set as 1.5.2 i.e. English.lng...the upgrade didn't come with a new english.lng module so I'm still using the one from back then. Basically do I give a list of the modules I have with the version number and see if they are the latest? If so, where do I list them?

Thanks.

Richard.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on December 29, 2003, 10:59:13 AM
Thanks for the update...only question I now have is how do I know I have the final versions of all the files?

So long as you have the individual file versions listed under 'Detailed Version Check' earlier in that thread, you can safely ignore the nonsense you're getting from 'Submit Version Check'!

These *are* the latest! :)

1. Detailed Version Check:

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YaBB File Users Version
YaBB Package YaBB SE 1.5.4
index.php YaBB SE 1.5.4
english.lng YaBB SE 1.5.2
Admin.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
BoardIndex.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Calendar.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Display.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Errors.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
ICQPager.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
InstantMessage.php YaBB SE 1.5.4
Karma.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Load.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
LockThread.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
LogInOut.php YaBB SE 1.5.4
Maintenance.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
ManageAttachments.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
ManageBoards.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
ManageCats.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Memberlist.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
MergeThreads.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
MessageIndex.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
ModifyMessage.php YaBB SE 1.5.4
ModSettings.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
MoveThread.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Notify.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Poll.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Post.php YaBB SE 1.5.4
Profile.php YaBB SE 1.5.4
Recent.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Register.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
RemoveOldThreads.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
RemoveThread.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
RepairBoards.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Search.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Security.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
SendTopic.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
SplitThreads.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Subs.php YaBB SE 1.5.1
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: DickBarton on December 29, 2003, 12:02:27 PM
Yup, I've got the latest files then.

Thanks again for the help,

Richard.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Superboy on January 03, 2004, 05:33:38 AM
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Worldwide Mac users
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Ok, list updated. Thanks!
Change that chalkboard! Add another Mac user- ME!
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Krowten on February 03, 2004, 05:17:38 PM
Wow... I don't Kno if this is a good idea, but I have no say in it and I beleive you guys know whats best for YabbSE...

Anyway Im wondering if these updates are for YabbSE 1.5.5 or Simple Machines?

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Here is a list of changes I can remember:
Enhanced look on the Profile screen

Enhanced look in the Admin Center

New smilies

Faster kernel and better code

New BBC tag icons

Child boards - boards inside boards

A little different translation system with separate files for each section

To ways to change your Forum Template

Possibility to see Total time Logged In
[note from [Unknown]: there are a lot more, a list will come around soon.]

Cause I really wanna use the "Child Boards" feature you know boards within boards.(if thats out now how do i use it)

Oh yea, um are you gonna leave this site up for anyone who chooses to be YabbSE loyalist? lol dumb question its just that I think I read something aobut more adnced coding and all that, so I was wondering if people choose to stay with YABBSE will they still be able to visit this site and basically ask eachother for help and post new mods.

Oh and one more question... This will be YabbSE with a diffrent name? No real change at all right?
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Peter Duggan on February 03, 2004, 08:00:27 PM
Wow... I don't Kno if this is a good idea, but I have no say in it and I beleive you guys know whats best for YabbSE...

It's a *very* good idea!

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Anyway Im wondering if these updates are for YabbSE 1.5.5 or Simple Machines?

http://www.simplemachines.org/ (http://www.simplemachines.org/)

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Oh yea, um are you gonna leave this site up for anyone who chooses to be YabbSE loyalist?

While we'll still be providing YaBB SE support for some time, my understanding is that these boards will eventually be archived.

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Oh and one more question... This will be YabbSE with a diffrent name? No real change at all right?

No, it will be SMF! Brought to you by the same team, but a superior new board rewritten from the ground up. But all of this has already been covered in the first page of this topic (http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?thread=25385), so I don't know why you're asking...
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: DeadlyDemon on February 22, 2004, 04:39:04 PM
Hey i think Simple Machines is great (but i dont like the name) Cant wait 2 try it!!!


P.S. better change the chalk board again hehehehee im a mac user aswell
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: creamsoda on February 22, 2004, 05:33:31 PM
sorry I don't want to ask stupid question

But I have a message board now thats working great...yabbse

So come march 31 does that mean my board will stop working?

Can you just tell me in some quick steps what I should do now or should I leave it as is...I don't want to have any problems :)

Sorry if I was asking the samke question as others but I'm not the most techy person when it comes to these things.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: David on February 22, 2004, 05:39:27 PM
So come march 31 does that mean my board will stop working?
No, your board will continue working fine.  There will however be no more upgrades to YaBB SE and we will recommend you upgrade to SMF.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: UKA_Bart on February 23, 2004, 03:35:10 AM
No, your board will continue working fine.  There will however be no more upgrades to YaBB SE and we will recommend you upgrade to SMF.
Great. Received e-mail about this too, the YabbSE forum will shut down in a month, encouraging me to "upgrade"(?) to SMF. Wonderful.

Sorry, but it don't even consider "upgrading"(?) to anything I can't even have a look at yet. There is no download of SMF available and I won't rely on the Haleluja's from people that do somehow have it running. In this perspective I find it very, very weird to close down an entire supportforum. "We can't maintain two forums". Why not? Lock all topics and let it sit there. I really can't see the problem there.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Chris Cromer on February 23, 2004, 03:41:15 AM
SMF will have been released when this board get's shutdown. So don't think they are cutting this off without an alternative place to go.
Title: Re:The Recent Changes.
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 23, 2004, 08:35:03 AM
Reason why we chose March 31st is because we fully expect to have something out by then.

Also, this is not unexpected. If anyone took the time to read the thread with the bright red text at the top of the screen they would have known that eventually this was going to happen.