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Title: Peek At The Next Version
Post by: David on May 04, 2003, 11:34:24 AM
You heard the rumors, you've requested the features, now you get to see some of the work.  This version is not going to be released as 2.0 even though at least 90% of it has been rewritten.  It started out as Unknown's secret project and has eveolved into being an official release plus more then he was ever planning to include and do to it.  Please remember, every time you ask when a version will be out, a llama dies; so don't ask.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: ciri on May 04, 2003, 12:18:02 PM
When will it be out ? :P
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: jasonsn on May 04, 2003, 12:22:49 PM
When will it be out ? :P
 I want to know the same thing.  Can someone help me get my server working again?  http://jasonsn.ath.cx/yabbse/index.php/.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Joel on May 04, 2003, 01:53:55 PM
I had a feeling Unknown's secret project would find its way into an official release of some sort. It sounded far too ambitious for just a mod or personal release.

Now I'm going to wait a bit longer to update my forums with some personal add-ons I've been working on, but I'm sure it will be worth it. :) It will probably make some of my work obsolete anyway.

Thanks for the continuous hard work, folks!
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: lbyard on May 04, 2003, 03:00:41 PM
I'd like a thing to make static html threads and archive them.  I keep saying that and no one seems to listen.  Why?  Search engines like 'em much better than php/MySQL threads (yes, I know about making php addresses search engine friendly) and when search engines like something I make money.  I dropped dcforum for yabbse.  The 3,000+ selected threads with banners in the old dcforum archive make me money every day whether I work of not.  Larry
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: David on May 04, 2003, 04:44:40 PM
Here's one more for you guys.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Peter Duggan on May 04, 2003, 04:54:20 PM
I had a feeling Unknown's secret project would find its way into an official release of some sort. It sounded far too ambitious for just a mod or personal release.

I'm also very pleased to see it becoming part of the main YSE line because it's always sounded desirable but I could never quite work out the support implications for it effectively being a colossal mod when mods aren't part of the 'official' package. Now that YSE stands to benefit from the former secret project and TFSP (!) stands to benefit in turn from a full-scale beta testing and support program, we surely have the best of both worlds! 8)
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: skoen on May 04, 2003, 05:50:09 PM
This will probarbly be called YaBBSE 1.6.0 ;)

Nice job, [Unknown], you are seriously a coder, modder and a great administrator. Looking forward to translate your version into Norwegian and to try it out. I have patience enough not to ask, as I really want the llamas back.

Now all we have to do is change the template and colours for YaBBSE to be more.. erm, modern. I know YSE can be done with a better layout before version 1.x is fully complete. Just look at what they did to Winamp 2.91, it wasn't complete after 2.81 as we thought.

If YSE1.x is finalized with a better layout then it would probarbly appeal positive to other users as well. Why do people use phpBB, because they have the possibility to change the template in almost no time, but the admin panel is more advanced and tricky than the panel for YSE. And it doesn't appeal much for the translators as good as YSE, who only got 1(!) file to be translated.

Thanks anyway :)

Looking forward to the next version, ETA: "When it's done!" ;D

Note, the quote is not supposed to be related to 3DRealms deadline for Duke Nukem Forever.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: acf [delete me]! on May 05, 2003, 01:45:36 AM
roflmao 1.x will never be final  ;D
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: PHPlugin on May 05, 2003, 10:35:32 AM
I think the default layout is more a reason,
that people get off their lame a**es,
and start to make their own templates.

It's not the colors which I don't like,
not the graphics.

It's just the structure and the placement of 'em.
Like in the Post.php.
(Here where you post messages.)

The 'subject' input field, 'message icon' select field,
YaBBC tags toolbar and smilies ...
They all should be placed better,
maybe with tables in TDs, with borders etc.

But actually I love the design.
Simple and a real 'like-to-look-at-it-daily-' design.

cYa
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: acf [delete me]! on May 05, 2003, 12:32:51 PM
You would be surprised at the speed boost you would get by upgrading this to YaBB SE 1.5.2.  It is tremendously faster, and imho better than phpBB.  (of course, I'm biased as I am one of the people who wrote it ;).)

And, don't worry, I've been working on a new version - 1.6.0 - which has been completely rewritten, is about 30% faster all around than even 1.5.2, and is loved by my current forum's goers. (they don't *mind* beta testing ;).)  It also has new features, to boot.  (for example, themes!)
So.... you might want to take a moment before you decide to switch.

If you're wondering why I'm posting this here.... well, someone posted at www.yabbse.org linking to this thread, asking if YaBB SE was really tremendously slow.  I figured I might at least give you a chance to upgrade instead... if you are willing.

http://www.yabbse.org/download.php (look for yabbse_1-5-2_upgrade.zip.)

-[Unknown]

i like the sound of that 30% faster OMG ;D
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Joseph Fung on May 06, 2003, 12:07:13 PM
I'd like a thing to make static html threads and archive them.  I keep saying that and no one seems to listen.  Why?  Search engines like 'em much better than php/MySQL threads (yes, I know about making php addresses search engine friendly) and when search engines like something I make money.  I dropped dcforum for yabbse.  The 3,000+ selected threads with banners in the old dcforum archive make me money every day whether I work of not.  Larry
Search around for the archive mod I made.  You can probably get it working for 1.5.2 with little effort.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: haase on May 17, 2003, 07:06:07 AM
They all should be placed better,
maybe with tables in TDs, with borders etc.

Oh... noooo....

I was hoping we could get away from the nested table syndrome.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Michele on May 17, 2003, 10:02:52 AM
They all should be placed better,
maybe with tables in TDs, with borders etc.

Oh... noooo....

I was hoping we could get away from the nested table syndrome.

Please, please, please drop support for Netscape 4.x and depend on the CSS for border styles... get rid of NTS now!

Everyone repeat after me:

No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!

/me calms down

Sorry, nested tables and < font size=-1 > are two of my pet peeves.  ;)
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Joel on May 17, 2003, 10:09:57 AM

Please, please, please drop support for Netscape 4.x and depend on the CSS for border styles... get rid of NTS now!

Everyone repeat after me:

No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!

/me calms down

Sorry, nested tables and < font size=-1 > are two of my pet peeves.  ;)

I'll drink to that.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: mephisto_kur on May 18, 2003, 12:56:16 AM
Please, please, please drop support for Netscape 4.x and depend on the CSS for border styles... get rid of NTS now!

Everyone repeat after me:

No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!
No nested tables!

/me calms down

Sorry, nested tables and < font size=-1 > are two of my pet peeves.  ;)

This would make me happy.  I would go further and say <font *> drives me friggin crazy.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Armadillo on May 18, 2003, 01:36:08 AM
Instead of using nested tables, why not use a DIV with a border style and put your content into it?
It's supposed to function in NN 4.x.
I may edit my template and try it.

Click here (http://www.mako4css.com/csstable.htm) for more info.



Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: [Unknown] on May 18, 2003, 02:00:37 AM
Durrr... I didn't know about divs, George. :P

It's done that way on purpose for better cross-browser compatibility.  Gobalopper has already volunteered to do exactly what you are asking. (or some of it, at least.)

So, calm down.... you don't need to give lessons on CSS for dummies.
And... I've actually done it on my own site to decrease bandwidth.  Works fine in decent browsers...

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: I, Brian on May 18, 2003, 06:24:26 AM
Quote
I'd like a thing to make static html threads and archive them.  I keep saying that and no one seems to listen.  Why?  Search engines like 'em much better than php/MySQL threads (yes, I know about making php addresses search engine friendly) and when search engines like something I make money.  I dropped dcforum for yabbse.  The 3,000+ selected threads with banners in the old dcforum archive make me money every day whether I work of not.  Larry
 
 
Search around for the archive mod I made.  You can probably get it working for 1.5.2 with little effort.

This is also something I'm looking at - search engine friendliness is a priority at the moment.

I wouldn't have a clue how to modify the code, though. Any suggestions out there? I'll happily dig through the thread to retrieve the code if someone will mod it for 1.5.2


Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Michele on May 18, 2003, 09:00:24 AM
Durrr... I didn't know about divs, George. :P

It's done that way on purpose for better cross-browser compatibility.  Gobalopper has already volunteered to do exactly what you are asking. (or some of it, at least.)

So, calm down.... you don't need to give lessons on CSS for dummies.
And... I've actually done it on my own site to decrease bandwidth.  Works fine in decent browsers...

-[Unknown]

Actually, the way that < font size= > is used throughout Sources, you should actually be using < span > not < div > . :)
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Spaceman-Spiff on May 18, 2003, 03:00:18 PM
as unknown said before, it's done so it will still look good in older browsers (ones that dont support css)
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: acf [delete me]! on May 18, 2003, 03:42:23 PM
some <divs> with Z-index and we have some need effects  ;D

Could the next version include: <style type="text/css" media="all">@import "./yabbnl.css";</style>
looks much nicer in the template  then al those style's and you can us the file for more thing then only for the template.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: [Unknown] on May 18, 2003, 03:47:44 PM
<style type="text/css" media="all">@import "./yabbnl.css";</style>

Uhh... that's bad.  That will require CSS 2, and won't work in some browsers (ie. IE 5) - which is bad.

This is better:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="yabbse.css" media="screen" />

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: acf [delete me]! on May 18, 2003, 04:01:35 PM
<style type="text/css" media="all">@import "./yabbnl.css";</style>

Uhh... that's bad.  That will require CSS 2, and won't work in some browsers (ie. IE 5) - which is bad.

This is better:
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="yabbse.css" media="screen" />

-[Unknown]

 :D hmm handy, thanx
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: I, Brian on May 19, 2003, 08:51:48 AM

I used the basic search function, but only found this thread.

The advanced search function didn;t even find that, nor anything threads associating the words "Joseph Fung" with "archive".

Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: [Unknown] on May 19, 2003, 09:04:39 AM
http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?board=158;action=display;threadid=16903

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: I, Brian on May 19, 2003, 09:07:58 AM
Yes, I'd just found it - page 14 of the completed mods board, I believe. Thanks for retrieving the link, though.

Trouble is:

Quote
The archives are stored as php pages
that are non-spiderable (sorry people).

Which sort of defeats the entire issue raised, doesn't it?

Locked as well, so I couldn't raise the topic.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: jasonsn on May 21, 2003, 04:47:32 PM
What are you guys talking about?
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: old dan on May 22, 2003, 02:15:52 AM
What are you guys talking about?

They're talking about a program that would make html pages out of messages stored in your yabb db.

It's not that hard to do and unless someone else wants to do it I can whip something up this weekend (it's a three day weekend).
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: jasonsn on May 22, 2003, 08:07:49 AM
Oh OK!  Thank you for explaining what everyone was talking about.
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: mephisto_kur on May 31, 2003, 07:54:25 PM
I don't know if this is where aliencow meant to post it, but this thread looks like a logical place...

[Unknown] has probably seen me complain about this in the PfaBB boards.

http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?board=144;action=display;threadid=23469
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: acf [delete me]! on June 01, 2003, 03:47:16 AM
I don't know if this is where aliencow meant to post it, but this thread looks like a logical place...

[Unknown] has probably seen me complain about this in the PfaBB boards.

http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?board=144;action=display;threadid=23469

yep  :)
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: ExitSoftWare.com on June 08, 2003, 11:13:56 AM
Looks Great David :)
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: Owdy on July 19, 2003, 04:42:09 PM
Any progress?
Title: Re:Peek At The Next Version
Post by: David on July 19, 2003, 05:09:13 PM
Any progress?
May want to read this.
http://www.yabbse.org/community/index.php?thread=24843