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Development => Portal Discussion => Topic started by: Michele on January 24, 2003, 01:49:13 PM

Title: PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 24, 2003, 01:49:13 PM
I'm still working hard on PfaBB, a port from the original v.6 of YaPP, written by the incredibly talented Chris Cromer and Eric M. You can see it in action at C4G (http://www.computers4gaming.com) and check out the features. It's designed to work with the all new YaBB SE v1.5.1. I've added a customizable home page, a FAQ module and slightly redesigned the template.

If you were a modder for YaPP and have something you think should be a core feature for PfaBB, head on over to the site and let me know. If you just need more info, come on over and leave a message in the forums!

Thanks for everyone's support,
Mad Moya (Michele)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 24, 2003, 06:21:10 PM
Nice Mad Moya, right on top of everything!! ;)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 24, 2003, 06:28:04 PM
/me blushes


Thanks guys... got the patch in as soon as you released it, and even manually patched my old YaPP site running v1.4.1 yet. ;)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: John R on January 24, 2003, 11:52:39 PM
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Quote from: Michele on January 22, 2003, 04:15:01 PM
We're a long way from releasing anything, heck, we don't even have a name for it, but it will be based on Eric's and Chris's YaPP package. We'll be doing great things with it, so check back often!

UPDATE: It looks like we might have a name... unless you tell us how horrible our choice was, the name will be PfaBB (Portal for another Bulletin Board)... that's right, we're pfabbulous!



So far I really like what I see which one small exception.  Since, and I quote "we don't even have a name for it, but it will be based on Eric's and Chris's YaPP package", these are your words not mine.  Where is any credit for Eric & Chris displayed on your see it in action forum

cheers...................
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Killer Possum on January 25, 2003, 12:32:13 AM
That's sweet!!! Can't wait for a public release!!!
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 25, 2003, 01:16:42 AM

So far I really like what I see which one small exception.  Since, and I quote "we don't even have a name for it, but it will be based on Eric's and Chris's YaPP package", these are your words not mine.  Where is any credit for Eric & Chris displayed on your see it in action forum

cheers...................


I modified the first post... my apologies to Eric and Chris... they really did do an incredible job with YaPP!
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Dr_Michael on January 25, 2003, 07:35:49 AM
When will it be ready for download? It seems great!
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 25, 2003, 09:35:20 AM
Soon... it depends on the RC releases from YaBB here. Every time they update their code, I have to update mine, and then test the integration. So once they slow down on their RC releases I should be able to release some code for testing.

I actually took a heavily modded v1.4.1 board with YaPP .6 on it, upgraded it to v1.5.1, then applied my PfaBB files to it, and it nearly worked... it was a simple mistake on my end, I missed a file. I finally did get it working though. :)

So all I can say is... it's getting there.
MM
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 25, 2003, 10:58:29 AM
It's funny how people are saying it's awesome and great and stuff, and yet except for a couple mods, it's no different than YaPP yet ::)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Shoeb Omar on January 25, 2003, 03:45:26 PM

It's funny how people are saying it's awesome and great and stuff, and yet except for a couple mods, it's no different than YaPP yet ::)


wand what was aaid about yapp when it first started with its relation to YSE? :).

Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 25, 2003, 05:12:36 PM
People still say/ask that. Some people think YaPP is the same think as YaBBSE... they think the blocks are made in the template, not generated from YaPP itself.

But if I am not mistaken, that is entirly YaPP, and only 1 new feature it looks like...

On another note: Cool, I got my name in the <yabb credits> ;D
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 25, 2003, 08:41:38 PM


It's funny how people are saying it's awesome and great and stuff, and yet except for a couple mods, it's no different than YaPP yet ::)


wand what was aaid about yapp when it first started with its relation to YSE? :).




Because it had blocks and front page news.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 25, 2003, 09:46:03 PM
I haven't done much to it yet, so there isn't much to see. I integrated v1.5.1 with it and I added the FAQ module and I'm playing with the style and templating code... that's about it so far. :)

Lately I've been trying to keep up with the RC releases, so haven't been able to do much else... which is one reason it isn't available for download yet... don't forget though, that YaPP (http://yapp.phpworld.net) is available. If you're not beta testing v1.5.1 of YaBB SE, it still works great with v1.4.x!

Mad Moya
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Joline Des`Chats on January 28, 2003, 06:15:49 PM
The way I look at it, Pfabb is in fact ahead of where Yapp is for the simple fact that it is already integrated to se 1.51.  Now, thats just the way I look at it, because I dont know what Eric is working on that isnt running somewhere publicly seen.

Once the team for Pfabb gets things coded, it will start to look and feel much different than Yapp.  Well, thats what I expect to happen  :D ;)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 28, 2003, 06:41:43 PM
The yapp.phpworld.net site is 0.6.2, so it is public what we work on. ;)

It already has 1.5.0 integration, and Eric is going to update it to 1.5.1 now.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 28, 2003, 07:31:42 PM
Or do you mean the forum that Eric is working on (and Chris) that they plan to put into YaPP? I thought I saw a post over there where they made it public?
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 28, 2003, 08:13:21 PM
v.6.2 will use YaBB SE v1.5.1, and after that YaPP (or whatever new name they give it) will be using their own forum software... at least that's what I can gather from their posts on their site.

Which is why (to bring it back on topic), I'm working on PfaBB as a port from YaPP, so us YaBB SE fans will still have something that works great for US! :)

Now if I could just convince my host to kick the MySQL server so my site would load.... :(
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Joline Des`Chats on January 28, 2003, 08:44:13 PM
Very nice Chris!  I'm sorry that I didnt know that already, I must have missed that post, where ever it is  :-\

Yes, Pfabb is great for me for the simple fact that my Yabbse board is so weighted down with members who are all snug and cozy, to move to another type of forum would just really piss them off (thats putting it nice too)

MM, that does make alot of sense now when you say it, from the bits and pieces I've seen-  especially seeing the actual project from some link I saw, at least I THINK that is their project.  Oh, that forum that (allegedly) is theirs, its extremely fast!  But it was empty yet, havent seen it under any load.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 28, 2003, 09:56:50 PM
Yes there is a post over there where we made xbb public. We decided to make it public since posting was finished on it.

If you want the link it is:
xbb.agigames.com (temp url because we plan to rename it... and I doubt I will always host it at agigames.com).
Admins/Moderators:
You can erase this link if you feel it isn't needed.

As for me... I don't even use YaPP and yet I was a dev of it, and I will not be using XBB myself either and yet I dev it.

I am still partial to YaBBSE and give all my credit to YaBBSE for getting me into message boards, and giving me a reason to learn php/mysql. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 29, 2003, 07:51:42 AM

Oh, that forum that (allegedly) is theirs, its extremely fast!  But it was empty yet, havent seen it under any load.


Allegedly? Heh I'm sure it's theirs :) It's still in development, is still fairly bare from what I could see and is hardly being hit.

However, Chris is a good coder and I'm sure it will be a decent forum...
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 29, 2003, 04:40:12 PM
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Allegedly?

I didn't even notice that till just now. I can assure you it is 100% mine and Eric's code/html.

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However, Chris is a good coder and I'm sure it will be a decent forum...


Thanks. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 29, 2003, 05:13:10 PM
Of course, don't mention me, I guess I'm not considered a good coder by Jeff ::)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 29, 2003, 05:25:43 PM
Yes you are a good coder. Your as good a coder as me... if not better. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 29, 2003, 05:30:29 PM

Yes you are a good coder. Your as good a coder as me... if not better. :)


Heh, mearly in HTML.
(It's not like I was being serious in my comment.)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: David on January 29, 2003, 05:33:46 PM
Let's stear this back on topic.  If you want to discuss who is a good coder, there is the Chit Chat board.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Joline Des`Chats on January 29, 2003, 06:23:05 PM
I meant allegedly it is a forum.  I didnt really look at it very long.  I know its yours!  :P
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 29, 2003, 06:26:55 PM
What do you mean allegedly its a forum... what else would it be? Not a portal...
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 29, 2003, 06:28:45 PM
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what else would it be?

A chat room?
A news script?
A random avatar script?

;)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 29, 2003, 06:46:17 PM
Just to bring the thread back on topic... yes PfaBB is in alpha testing now, but my main site is down completely at the moment due to... heck, I'm not sure what those id10ts are doing at my host anymore. :)

I'm probably looking for a new host now, so if anyone has any suggestions. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on January 29, 2003, 08:49:20 PM
I don't have a suggestion, but you can me the aplpha testing stuff to my site, if you'd like.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 29, 2003, 10:18:09 PM

Of course, don't mention me, I guess I'm not considered a good coder by Jeff ::)


I just didn't know you were working on it too :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on January 29, 2003, 10:23:18 PM

I don't have a suggestion, but you can me the aplpha testing stuff to my site, if you'd like.


What the heck was that!
I swear, english is my native language!  What I meant to say was that until Moya gets her site back up, we can move the pfabb alpha testing stuff over to my forum, just so we don't ruffle too many feathers.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on January 29, 2003, 10:38:06 PM
I think it meant he wanted to take a peek at what I've been up to, Mephisto. ;)

I have absolutely no problems with that, especially if I screwed something up royally... I'd rather know now then later.

Just wish I could get a straight answer from my host, all I get are emails that say:

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Hello,

  We are currently looking into this issue. We are deeply sorry
for the inconvenience caused.

Kindly bear with us. This issue will be resolved as soon as
possible.

Thank You.
Best Regards
--
Dedicated Support Team


LOL
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on January 29, 2003, 10:41:40 PM
Time for a refund.   >:(
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: [Unknown] on January 30, 2003, 03:39:14 AM
I can translate that email for you:

Ah crap we messed up!!!!  what are we gonna do?!?!

Errrmmm... I don't even know for sure what's wrong!!

Don't go we want your money... ev-everything's .... under control... yeah.  Yeah!  Everything is under control.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 30, 2003, 06:33:24 AM


Of course, don't mention me, I guess I'm not considered a good coder by Jeff ::)


I just didn't know you were working on it too :)


And yet my name was mencioned a ton of times in relation to the project ::)

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I can translate that email for you:

Ah crap we messed up!!!!  what are we gonna do?!?!

Errrmmm... I don't even know for sure what's wrong!!

Don't go we want your money... ev-everything's .... under control... yeah.  Yeah!  Everything is under control.

LOL! That sounds about right.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Torezz Anheal on January 30, 2003, 08:52:59 AM
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What do you mean allegedly its a forum... what else would it be? Not a portal...

Hey now!  be nice.  For all I know what I saw could have only been a small piece of the whole pie!  I'm the type who doesnt assume, and asks questions, gathers more info.  Don't smack me if you see me asking questions, even if there are obvious answers to them.  Usually when I assume an answer, I'm wrong. So I dont do that  :P
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Joline Des`Chats on January 30, 2003, 12:40:23 PM
that last one was me, logged in under diferent name  ;)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: irbrian on January 31, 2003, 04:47:12 PM
This is probably entirely the wrong place to ask, but can anyone shed a little light for me on why YaPP (which borrows even its name from the YaBB legacy :P) is building their own forum from scratch instead of sticking with a perfectly good, mature product like YaBB SE?

The only hint I could see at xbb.agigames.com was this vague post by an unidentified individual:
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by Mr Caffeine Free
subject Re: YaPP in MM
Posted at: January 30th, 2003 04:43:46 PM

You two need to get your priorities straight.

YaPP was great until I discovered how faulty YaBB SE was. Dirty scorpions undying desire to exploit all bugs in YaBB SE and YaPP... Bah
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on January 31, 2003, 05:43:02 PM
The reasons are strictly non-altruistic.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 31, 2003, 05:47:54 PM
Well from what I hear, they want to charge for YaPP and with SE as such a large part of it and the license it uses they would run into issues.

So...they will create their own and then have the ability to charge for it.

Now, a few months ago I also said they were going to use their own forum but it was denied - I imagine this will too ;)

But that's just what I hear...
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 31, 2003, 05:49:18 PM
Oh yes, and so nobody gets pissy...I could be TOTALLY wrong :) I'm just hearing it on rumour...
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jedi~ on January 31, 2003, 06:17:43 PM

Well from what I hear, they want to charge for YaPP and with SE as such a large part of it and the license it uses they would run into issues.

So...they will create their own and then have the ability to charge for it.

Now, a few months ago I also said they were going to use their own forum but it was denied - I imagine this will too ;)

But that's just what I hear...


Rumour my ass, you took what I told you in private and are blabbing it ::)

I never denied that we'd use our own forum, I simply said that we'd use a not widely known one that's faster than most. I publicly admitted that YaPP would be charge for after 0.6.2, and I meant it. It will not keep the name YaPP, due to reasons menchioned above.

irbrian, I'm no longer satisfied with YSE, which is no secret. However, it's not YaPP that's building the new forum, it's Chris and I that are, and has no direct relation to YaPP. The building of a forum has nothing to do with YaPP moving away from YSE to use this new one, it was built on the intention to be a message board and nothing more. I'm doing with it as I did with YSE, making it into a portal, seperate from the original message board software.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Chris Cromer on January 31, 2003, 06:22:55 PM
Well I would like to say that while I will be making XBB with Eric, I will not be making the portal for it, Eric will be doing that by himself.

And it doesn't really have nothing to do with money for me... that's just a bonus. 8)
I just like to program... and message boards have become my specialty. ;D
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: irbrian on January 31, 2003, 07:40:22 PM
Well alrighty then, I'm satisfied.. and I wish you all luck.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on January 31, 2003, 10:59:44 PM

Rumour my ass, you took what I told you in private and are blabbing it ::)



Actually you never told me you were going to charge for it..
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Joline Des`Chats on February 03, 2003, 07:04:52 PM
My live PfaBB (http://home.fellowshipofkings.com) site, if anyone wants to see it  :-*
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: irbrian on February 03, 2003, 08:39:46 PM
Thats a great looking site, except that I have no idea what its about ::) which is in the Top 5 of Things I Hate About Portal Sites..
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: [Unknown] on February 03, 2003, 08:42:54 PM
It's about Lord of the Rings, which I gathered from the title - Lord of the Kings.

Plus it has little rings for the mark read indicators...

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on February 03, 2003, 09:17:39 PM
Yeah, pretty obvious what that site is about.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: irbrian on February 05, 2003, 02:29:46 PM
Sure, that was my assumption as well, but the point is that I shouldn't have to make assumptions regarding a website's topic or content. Its not the site visitor's responsibility to guess what the site is about --  its the designer's responsibility to tell them.

Well, unless you don't WANT them to know what the site is about, or it serves some purpose to make them guess. But I don't believe that's the case of this site.

ALWAYS TELL THE USER IMMEDIATELY WHAT THE SITE IS ABOUT -- one of the most important concepts in web design, and one that is forgotten far too often. Again, thats one reason why most portal packages really bug me.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on February 05, 2003, 03:00:57 PM
So... What, we should all have banners at the top that say:

 "THIS SITE IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, YOU ARE PROBABLY IN THE WRONG PLACE.  I AM SORRY I CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR.  PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  IF MY PICTURE THAT SAYS FELLOWSHIP OF KINGS AND ALL OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS PICTURES AND IMAGES ARE NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH FOR YOU.  PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THIS IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU IT IS, INDEED, ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ASSUME ANYTHING."
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on February 05, 2003, 03:39:07 PM
So... What, we should all have banners at the top that say:

 "THIS SITE IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, YOU ARE PROBABLY IN THE WRONG PLACE.  I AM SORRY I CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR.  PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  IF MY PICTURE THAT SAYS FELLOWSHIP OF KINGS AND ALL OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS PICTURES AND IMAGES ARE NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH FOR YOU.  PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THIS IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU IT IS, INDEED, ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ASSUME ANYTHING."

Ok, assume for a minute the visitor is blind and can't see the images. Their text reader is just spewing out the latest news, with no idea of what that news relates to. Or what if the visitor is colorblind and the images are all shades of blue to him?

It's the webmaster who should never assume anything. Never assume 16bit or 32bit color, never assume the Submit button is clear as day if it doesn't have a name or id, never assume menu buttons are clear without proper alt=, never assume people can tell what is a link and what's plain text. Make sure your site can be easily read by eyes, text readers, colorblind folks, etc.

If you were wondering why all those <caption> tags are showing up in PfaBB, that's the reason. It's why my links are both a different color AND bold, and why I abhore NTS (nested table syndrome).

On specific sites, you can make basic assumptions though. If it's a gaming site, you can be reasonably sure they have a high end video card already, and a relatively fast connection (at least 56K). If you want a real test to see how bad your site might be, trying moving around in it using the TAB key instead of a mouse. Do the tabs follow a logical order, or are you tabbing through 4 nested tables just to get to the first link?

That's part of why it's so important to at least offer an alternative home page to news, if not outright set it as the default. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: irbrian on February 05, 2003, 03:45:58 PM
It's the webmaster who should never assume anything.
Exactly.


So... What, we should all have banners at the top that say:

 "THIS SITE IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, YOU ARE PROBABLY IN THE WRONG PLACE.  I AM SORRY I CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR.  PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  IF MY PICTURE THAT SAYS FELLOWSHIP OF KINGS AND ALL OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS PICTURES AND IMAGES ARE NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH FOR YOU.  PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THIS IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU IT IS, INDEED, ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ASSUME ANYTHING."

Um... Or (risking the obvious) how about a simple tagline that says something brief but witty about the sites purpose? ::)

Anyway I was trying to offer constructive criticism while making a point.. obviously it isn't appreciated, and it seems my point is not coming across very clearly either. So please feel free to disregard all that I've said on this matter (in this post anyway). :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on February 05, 2003, 03:57:37 PM
So... What, we should all have banners at the top that say:

 "THIS SITE IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, YOU ARE PROBABLY IN THE WRONG PLACE.  I AM SORRY I CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR.  PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  IF MY PICTURE THAT SAYS FELLOWSHIP OF KINGS AND ALL OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS PICTURES AND IMAGES ARE NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH FOR YOU.  PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THIS IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU IT IS, INDEED, ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ASSUME ANYTHING."

Ok, assume for a minute the visitor is blind and can't see the images. Their text reader is just spewing out the latest news, with no idea of what that news relates to. Or what if the visitor is colorblind and the images are all shades of blue to him?

It's the webmaster who should never assume anything. Never assume 16bit or 32bit color, never assume the Submit button is clear as day if it doesn't have a name or id, never assume menu buttons are clear without proper alt=, never assume people can tell what is a link and what's plain text. Make sure your site can be easily read by eyes, text readers, colorblind folks, etc.

If you were wondering why all those <caption> tags are showing up in PfaBB, that's the reason. It's why my links are both a different color AND bold, and why I abhore NTS (nested table syndrome).

On specific sites, you can make basic assumptions though. If it's a gaming site, you can be reasonably sure they have a high end video card already, and a relatively fast connection (at least 56K). If you want a real test to see how bad your site might be, trying moving around in it using the TAB key instead of a mouse. Do the tabs follow a logical order, or are you tabbing through 4 nested tables just to get to the first link?

That's part of why it's so important to at least offer an alternative home page to news, if not outright set it as the default. :)

Thanks for explaining it in a way that makes more sense.  However, there are other options available than having a big bold banner explaing what the site is about that would eliminate the issues you are talking about.  (And we agree on the nested tables problem)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on February 05, 2003, 04:01:48 PM

So... What, we should all have banners at the top that say:

 "THIS SITE IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS, YOU ARE PROBABLY IN THE WRONG PLACE.  I AM SORRY I CAN'T BE MORE CLEAR.  PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS.  IF MY PICTURE THAT SAYS FELLOWSHIP OF KINGS AND ALL OF THE LORD OF THE RINGS PICTURES AND IMAGES ARE NOT OBVIOUS ENOUGH FOR YOU.  PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME THIS IS ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU IT IS, INDEED, ABOUT THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND YOU DON'T NEED TO ASSUME ANYTHING."

Um... Or (risking the obvious) how about a simple tagline that says something brief but witty about the sites purpose? ::)

Anyway I was trying to offer constructive criticism while making a point.. obviously it isn't appreciated, and it seems my point is not coming across very clearly either. So please feel free to disregard all that I've said on this matter (in this post anyway). :)

It certainaly is appreciated.  What seems at issue is that you have a general problem with portals, so no current portal gives you what you want.  You are coming across as not just opposed to portals, but downright snobbish about people that use them.  If this isn't how you feel, I would love it if you could be a bit more "constructive" rather than just "critical" of portals.

Personally, I don't have to wonder what that site is about.  It has Lord of the Ring *everything.*  We also disagree on a fundamental idea.  The user, in my opinion *should* be able to assume without it being spelled out to them.  There are sites (like my own) that are having difficulty with this, for the simple fact that I just don't know what I want other than a community and a place to regurgitate trivia (hence my banner in my sig).
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on February 05, 2003, 04:02:23 PM
Well, a "big bold banner" wasn't what anyone was thinking. Something more along the lines of what C4G's home page looks like now. It could be flashier, or better written, but it tells you exactly what PfaBB is, so you're not left wondering, or being forced to read half the forums just to figure out what's going on.

Which is why a News-only home page is a bad idea. Unless you sticky a "whatsit" news item right up on top, folks can't always figure out what the site is just by reading the home page... and if they can't figure it out, they usually go no further. :)

HTH, Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Shoeb Omar on February 05, 2003, 06:55:35 PM
and yet another example of how to get off topic very quickly ;).
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Jeff Lewis on February 05, 2003, 08:58:29 PM
Heh as a test (purely for fun), I asked my mother in law to visit that site and take a look around....she says "What is this site for?"

Nobody is saying slap a gigantic banner on there and nobody has to do what people suggest - keep it friendly people :)

Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: irbrian on February 05, 2003, 10:50:05 PM
It certainaly is appreciated.  What seems at issue is that you have a general problem with portals, so no current portal gives you what you want.  You are coming across as not just opposed to portals, but downright snobbish about people that use them.  If this isn't how you feel, I would love it if you could be a bit more "constructive" rather than just "critical" of portals.
:-[ I'm truly sorry, I did not realize I was coming across as snobbish over this. It is no secret that I don't like portal software, but I shouldn't have attacked someone's personal site just to demonstrate my views.


Well, a "big bold banner" wasn't what anyone was thinking. Something more along the lines of what C4G's home page looks like now. It could be flashier, or better written, but it tells you exactly what PfaBB is, so you're not left wondering, or being forced to read half the forums just to figure out what's going on.

Which is why a News-only home page is a bad idea. Unless you sticky a "whatsit" news item right up on top, folks can't always figure out what the site is just by reading the home page... and if they can't figure it out, they usually go no further. :)
Anyway, yeah, throwing aside my anti-portal prejudice, I really really like how the C4G handles this issue. And not because its long or anything, just because it has a friendly little piece that basically says 'Hi, welcome to my page, this is what its about, here's the basic stuff you may want to know about why its here, no go explore and figure the rest out for yourself.' Even if all it said was "PfaBB, a new portal system to be used with YaBB SE!" I'd be thrilled. :)

YaBBSE.Org does the same thing. This is the ideal in my humble opinion. Other people disagree and thats ok, I'm just stating my personal view on this.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on February 05, 2003, 11:10:07 PM
Brian, C4G does it with PfaBB. I've put an option so you can choose between the standard news page as your home page, or select a page you've created in PfaBB (using XHTML/PHP) to use as a home page instead.

One thing I loved about YaPP was the ability to put whatever you wanted on a page in real-time (no uploaded of files, just cut 'n paste from your fav editor. You can use PHP and/or HTML if you want, you can put MySQL queries in it (my fan gaming site has a Bestiary db done with Page Management). If you have an existing page, you can just include_once it instead of cutting and pasting it in too.

My Bestiary has one Page set up with just an include_once and some Select Case statements to find the right functions in the include file, and $_POST works just fine through it too.

That was the main reason I went with YaPP in the first place, and why I picked it up to keep it going as PfaBB. :)

HTH, Michele
(hey, we're even back on topic!) :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Joline Des`Chats on March 01, 2003, 04:15:14 PM
MY website is not about Lord of the Rings. Just has that theme.  Its about a GUILD IN EVERQUEST.  Some people can't look past their PHP covered nose to actually read my forums to see that.  
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 03, 2003, 01:02:48 AM
FYI, PfaBB is moving to a new host tomorrow, so there may be some down time... there may even be a domain name change if I can't get a sub-domain of a sub-domain working. :)

I got tired of all the crashes and downtime at my old host, as did my visitors, so expect some downtime tomorrow while I fix things up, then we should be good to go again!

Thanks for everyone's patience these last two weeks,
Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: netfreak on March 03, 2003, 11:33:11 AM
damn... today you decided to change your host provider?  :'( :P

...That means i have to wait 1-2 days to search for pfaBB mods.

Thats ok i suppose;p
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on March 03, 2003, 03:37:28 PM
Actually, most YaBBSE 1.5.1 mods work with little to no tweaking, and pfabb.computers4gaming.com is still mostly up.  At least it hasn't been down while I've been awake.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 03, 2003, 03:55:32 PM
It's down now, and due to an error in my name servers, it'll be down a little while longer as the new domain servers propagate.

Apparently I can't have a sub-domain off a sub-domain, so the new address will definitely be http://pfabb.lunabyte.com.

If you're going thru PfaBB withdrawal, I've set up a temp YSE forum at http://www.computers4gaming.com. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: mephisto_kur on March 03, 2003, 04:42:08 PM
I can hit pfabb.computers4gaming.com with no problem...
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 03, 2003, 05:25:18 PM
I can hit pfabb.computers4gaming.com with no problem...

You are probably still getting the old site then, the DNS's in your area haven't been updated yet with the new info. If you post there, no one else will be able to see it. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on March 03, 2003, 07:01:46 PM
After reading ALLL the posts of BOTH the main threads inthe Portal Discussion area I can say I really like Michele and I really wanna try his code out...

I just installed Geeklog yesterday but I love the idea of having something that integrates with YaBB...

Michele if you have the IP of your new host please post it so we can access the pages while the domain propagates...

Also without going off-topic but to answer your previous question about where to move, if you experience problems again with your new host, I would suggest you try the host where I pay, they are great! They are called dixiesys.com and 8-95.com. The two services come from the same people I believe (there have been some company changes lately) so with the first one (on which I am on you have higher prices) and on the second one lower prices, but I got a super huge deal!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check it out if you need a host (I don't work for them ;-))
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 03, 2003, 08:15:07 PM
Thanks Marc... I went with hostforweb.com - they have live support via chat and forums, and they've been very accessible.

For some, lunabyte.com has propagated to their ISPs, but not for me. And from what I've been told, the site was crashing, so I had to replace index.php with a placeholder index.htm until my ISP gets the right DNS info and I can see what's going on.

But... www.computers4gaming.com is up and working, and where we're temporarily meeting to chat a bit, and answer any questions. Guests can post, so come on over there until lunabyte.com starts working for _me_. :)

http://pfabb.lunabyte.com
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 03, 2003, 08:17:22 PM
After reading ALLL the posts of BOTH the main threads inthe Portal Discussion area I can say I really like Michele and I really wanna try his code out...

Oh... one minor correction... that would be HER CODE, not HIS CODE!  ::)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 03, 2003, 09:15:00 PM
Okay, the temporary address of PfaBB (for tonight only) is:

http://66.246.78.215/pfabb/

Now it is http://pfabb.lunabyte.com. :)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: John R on March 03, 2003, 09:26:47 PM
After reading ALLL the posts of BOTH the main threads inthe Portal Discussion area I can say I really like Michele and I really wanna try his code out...

Oh... one minor correction... that would be HER CODE, not HIS CODE!  ::)

Ironically, no one seems to think a female can do much of anything.

Keep up the great work Michelle

cheers............
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: [Unknown] on March 03, 2003, 09:35:14 PM
My opinion on it is this...

It's purely a cultural thing.  A lot of girls/women take the stereotype and live with it, which only makes it more popular a belief.

In reality, unless otherwise effected by cultural pulls and trends to be otherwise, a girl can be as good or better than any guy.

The thing is, not many people are who are female.  It's a sad truth.  I wish it weren't so, as well.

And as far as pfaBB..... I really think it's great work.  Looks superb to me.

-[Unknown]
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on March 04, 2003, 01:55:45 AM
Oh... one minor correction... that would be HER CODE, not HIS CODE!  ::)

That was simply I type, I had gathered that you are a female after reading for hours all these posts... Just a typo...

Initially I thought you were an italian male (Michele, with that spelling is italian for Michael/Mike) but I was not disappointed in finding out you are a woman, I really appreciate that there finally is a woman working her ass off in this field (you are the first one I meet - I know some woman web designers, but no coder ;-))...

Actually, I find that very cool and intriguing, so how about a date? Marriage? (How is that for going off topic? let's turn this thread into personals and romance  ;D )

your secret lover (who hopes to become a non-secret lover of your pfabb code too - if it only has the features I am so much wishing for -see my other post- ... don't crush my heart!)  :'(
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 04, 2003, 12:36:43 PM
Oh... one minor correction... that would be HER CODE, not HIS CODE!  ::)

That was simply I type, I had gathered that you are a female after reading for hours all these posts... Just a typo...

Initially I thought you were an italian male (Michele, with that spelling is italian for Michael/Mike) but I was not disappointed in finding out you are a woman, I really appreciate that there finally is a woman working her ass off in this field (you are the first one I meet - I know some woman web designers, but no coder ;-))...

Actually, I find that very cool and intriguing, so how about a date? Marriage? (How is that for going off topic? let's turn this thread into personals and romance  ;D )

your secret lover (who hopes to become a non-secret lover of your pfabb code too - if it only has the features I am so much wishing for -see my other post- ... don't crush my heart!)  :'(

Hehe, I've probably been programming longer than most folks on this site have been alive. :) I started in the 70's with Fortran, but by time I get really good in one language, out comes another one! So now I'm working in PHP - not an expert yet, but learning quickly. I was a DOS and Windows shareware programmer on and off in the 80's-90's too.

As to my name, I was named after my great-uncle Michael Barbero who died in WW-II, so Michele is what my family decided was the equivalent... but if you want to get technical, and prevent my grandfather from rolling over in his grave, we're Sicilian, not Italian!  Straight from Little Italy in NYC. :)

My goal for PfaBB is to have the most common and the most popular features that folks want on their site. It's still evolving though, and still in its infancy (we picked up where YaPP left off)... but we've gotten great support from the folks here at YSE, and that's important for PfaBB's future.

HTH, Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on March 04, 2003, 01:01:28 PM
To steer this back on topic I'd love to help you in some way with pfabb but I need to think about my website's needs and I need to find a suitable script soon.

And just so you know Sicily IS part of Italy and has been since sometimes in the 15th or 16th centry or something like that... And in Italy Michele (pronounced me-ke-le/a) is a male name and Michela (pronounced me-ke-la/e) is the female of it.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on March 04, 2003, 02:30:04 PM
To steer this back on topic I'd love to help you in some way with pfabb but I need to think about my website's needs and I need to find a suitable script soon.

And just so you know Sicily IS part of Italy and has been since sometimes in the 15th or 16th centry or something like that... And in Italy Michele (pronounced me-ke-le/a) is a male name and Michela (pronounced me-ke-la/e) is the female of it.

Italy may consider Sicily part of it, but Sicily never has. :)
As for Michele, most Italian-Americans use that spelling for the female version of Michael.

If you decide that PfaBB isn't far enough long for what you need now, I understand that. We haven't had much time to spruce it up with all the features we'd like to. But we're working as fast as we can! :)

Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Ian_S on March 13, 2003, 07:42:37 PM
Erm... Michele, you forgot to change the link to lunabyte not c4g  ;D just helping
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: MISHA on April 07, 2003, 10:36:34 AM
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Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Omar Bazavilvazo on April 07, 2003, 11:14:56 AM
&#1055;&#1088;&#1080;&#1074;&#1077;&#1090;, &#1072; &#1075;&#1076;&#1077; &#1089;&#1082;&#1072;&#1095;&#1072;&#1090;&#1100; &#1075;&#1086;&#1090;&#1086;&#1074;&#1091;&#1102; &#1074;&#1077;&#1088;&#1089;&#1080;&#1103; &#1092;&#1086;&#1088;&#1091;&#1084;&#1072;!? ???

you are using unicode chars.
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Nerd3d on April 07, 2003, 03:16:41 PM
Has this been tested with YaBB 1.5.1 final yet? I've been holding my breath for this and I'm starting to turn blue  ;) ;)
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on April 07, 2003, 03:42:43 PM
It's in testing right now... give me another day to put it all together!

Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Asim Zeeshan on April 15, 2003, 10:10:02 PM
after reading all these posts I am going to try pfaBB

emm... one suggestion to Michele. can u plz change the theme on your website so that it ATTRACTS.
especially the Verdana font in size 2 is looking BAD

that was just a suggestion, sorry if it was offensive.


Asim
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on April 16, 2003, 11:45:47 AM
after reading all these posts I am going to try pfaBB

emm... one suggestion to Michele. can u plz change the theme on your website so that it ATTRACTS.
especially the Verdana font in size 2 is looking BAD

that was just a suggestion, sorry if it was offensive.


Asim

Not offensive, confusing though... Verdana is/was the default font used in the YaBB SE template (including here), and truthfully, my site's fonts look identical to this site's fonts... what browser are you using?

Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: ALGORYTHM on June 24, 2003, 07:14:13 AM
nice work :) but im stickin to my e107.org  :P
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: HyperDev on June 24, 2003, 10:37:58 AM
I like Verdana size 2. Now if I was only unlazy enough to change the font size on my site...
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on June 24, 2003, 10:00:20 PM
To steer this back on topic I'd love to help you in some way with pfabb but I need to think about my website's needs and I need to find a suitable script soon.

And just so you know Sicily IS part of Italy and has been since sometimes in the 15th or 16th centry or something like that... And in Italy Michele (pronounced me-ke-le/a) is a male name and Michela (pronounced me-ke-la/e) is the female of it.

Italy may consider Sicily part of it, but Sicily never has. :)
As for Michele, most Italian-Americans use that spelling for the female version of Michael.

If you decide that PfaBB isn't far enough long for what you need now, I understand that. We haven't had much time to spruce it up with all the features we'd like to. But we're working as fast as we can! :)

Michele

I'll have to disagree. Sicily considers themselves part of Italy. I lived there, I know.

I wanna try Enigma but WHEN CAN I?????
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on June 25, 2003, 08:42:16 AM
Soon... soon. Eric is putting the finishing touches on the News upgrades, and I'm doing the same for Links... hang in there!

Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on June 25, 2003, 10:28:20 AM
I've been hanging for so long I feel like a bat
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on June 25, 2003, 10:31:08 AM
Has this been tested with YaBB 1.5.1 final yet? I've been holding my breath for this and I'm starting to turn blue  ;) ;)

I hear you my brother... I am blue like a friggin smurf!!!
We're up to 1.5.4 so I am guessing/hoping they are trying to keep up with these guys... will they always be able to? Will we be able to update YaBB SE without running into troubles with Enigma?
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: Michele on June 25, 2003, 10:46:43 AM
Yes, we keep up with YaBB SE, normally getting the patch out within a day or two. Right now we're doing some major overhauls of a few features, so the next version has taken a while, but we still keep the current version up-to-date with YSE.

Michele
Title: Re:PfaBB Portal update
Post by: marcnyc on June 26, 2003, 09:51:40 PM
I am glad you keep telling me that you keep up, when can we keep up with you?